Since theres no Constitutional right to own guns for personal use, Im not sure what the ATF did that’s actually illegal. Would you please explain? Thanks.

I agree with you. There is no constitutional right to own guns. It never gave us that right.

(The person I responded to had previously posted that individuals with guns were trying to extend their penis and had a “Hero,” complex.  Both of these disgust me, because… well, read on and you’ll see why)

What I don’t get is why you’re so determined to push this false narrative. I’ve looked at your other answers on this subject, and honestly don’t get it. You should know better. Even a few minutes spent doing basic research would force you to re-evaluate such a basic error. But then you did push the party line that people who stop mass shootings should be ashamed of themselves, and John Wayne complex? I know you said it to intimidate and shame, but let’s look at that for a moment before I take the time to educate you on the USA.

John Wayne was a front line soldier in WWII. He did on screen what he’d done off screen. He WAS a cowboy, he HAD herded cattle, and he HAD been in gun battles in real life. He personally stood for Honor, Integrity, and Personal Courage. I would be proud to call him friend, and of all the people I’ve ever seen on television, I would shake his hand and show him respect. So, calling me a person who has a John Wayne Complex is such an honor I feel proud now. Today, to honor this, I will carry openly everywhere I go.

Now, the education part. Honestly, I don’t hold it against you, you really are like a lot of people who have no idea they live in a republic. See, there is a HUGE difference between a republic and democracy. In a democracy, the power is always in the hands of the majority. That can be republicans, democrats, whigs, or whoever has the most money to influence people with slick ads and pretty words. In a democracy the rights of the individual is ALWAYS subject to the approval of the majority, and it is also found in all of the brief examples of a democracy, the right of the individual is always subject to the whim of the ruling class. Look at how democracy has infested the USA recently with people, groups and even schools embracing the teachings of a pedophile! Come on, following the teachings of a man who would have been arrested for child porn in the USA is just stupid. This highlights just what it means to be a democracy. Those who want often get enough power to quash the rights of those who don’t want to be abused.

This “Obamacare,” nonsense is one example of democracy in action. Letting a board of directors decide the life choices of individuals, if they live or die, what care they will get, based on profits? The majority speaks, the individual dies. In this case, the majority are the boards that choose this treatment, or that treatment. They decide if you’re too heavy, or engaged in sexual activities that mean you’re not quite as worthy as the wholesome guy other there. It’s truly on the whim of the majority, and THEY made the rules they follow and can unmake them, change them, and set them aside, also on a whim. Two women have the same condition, they both need surgery, and both may pass while the procedure is going on, and the procedure is extremely expensive… one is a gay woman in California and the other is a grandmother of four in Florida. Which women do you think a gay man who is angry over Gender Studies is going to approve for the procedure if he has no one watching over his shoulder? In a republic, the doctor decides what treatment the patients get, not the insurance company.

In a republic however, the right of the individual is always more important than the will of the collective. In a republic the power is in the hands of the people. In our republic, the people hold the ultimate power. This means a LOT. More than you’re giving credit for. A LOT more.

The right to bear arms is a birthright. It’s not a constitutional right. But to understand this, you have to understand that we’re a free people who established a limited Republican Government. See in a republic, and I can’t say this enough, the power over everything including the government itse

A group of people practicing at the gun range. Photographed on location at a shooting range.

lf, lies in the hands of the individual. The individual can vote to repeal a law, recall an elected representative, and even vote to disband the government. It would take a vote of only 34 states for the federal government to be shut down and everyone sent home. Likewise, to disband our army, marine corps, and air force, it would take only 218 individuals to vote no. Why is this?

Because through our representatives, we control every single aspect of our government. WE do. Because in a republic WE have control.

So, the right to bear arms. Who owns it? “The right of the people to keep and bear arms,” explains it. You’re looking at a false definition of what a, “Right,” is. A right is property, it’s exclusive use of a thing. When you have the right to your own invention, ONLY YOU own that right unless you give it away. If you didn’t give it away, then it belongs to you. You can do with it as you please. You can keep it, or you can even hire someone to use to for you. Say, by paying others to use your right for you, you protect yourself from direct harm but you also place others in danger on your behalf. In this case, during WWII, we chose to hire professional soldiers and send them to war in our stead… and yes, John Wayne fought because he was paid to do so because we, through our representatives, chose to train individuals and send them in place of us going and fighting ourselves. These men deserve every once of respect we can ever shower on them. They chose to fight, some were drafted to fight, and they fought in our name, on our request, in our place.

The military bear arms only because WE own the right to bear arms and retained the right to choose when, how, and where those arms will be borne – through our representatives. And just to clarify – Our Representatives includes ALL of the federal government. The House is our direct representatives, the Senate are a little less direct, and the President should still be chosen by the governors of each state as it was in the beginning, and not by popular vote which is far too close to democracy.

But there is no mention of the right to bear arms in the Constitution, because we never gave that right to the constitution. The government was never granted that right, not once, ever. They do not have the right to bear arms. Once again, understand this…. in a Republic, the individual has the right to bear arms, and grants it to the federal government on a case by case basis, on the vote of our representatives. So it begs the question, who DOES own the weapons our military hold in the various armories? WE do. WE own them. We do it collectively, because it’s too large of a job for the individual. But if we chose to disband the military, those weapons would revert to their owners, US. The only exception to this are our Nuclear Weapons… and they are maintained by the Navy, as they are the only branch of service that is not reauthorized every two years – and the only branch of service that was granted an unlimited right to bear arms in our stead.

I know this was long, but you were operating on the premise that the government gives us rights, which is exactly the opposite of the truth. They don’t give us rights, we give them permission.

The reason the 2nd exists is clear in the preamble to the Bill of Rights, not in the 2nd itself. And everything I’ve just shown you boils down to this one statement.

“THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.”

So who are the Conventions of the Number of States? Those would be the men who each colony choose to represent their interests to their state legislators. Given that the total population of the United States at the time of the adopting of the Constitution was about 2 million people, and there were 13 colonies, the total of each state would have been about 154,000 people. There are more people in Kansas City alone than most of the first states.

And one last note. A population of 2 million defeated the entire might of England, with over 8 million people. They did it at the loss of nearly 70,000 people. The first battle for our liberty came at the town of Lexington, when a British military force attempted to disarm the people. All of the towns guns and powder were kept in armories and the British were planning to take it away, and stop the rebellion. They had a, “Important government purpose,” to disarm the colonies. Paul Revere? His infamous ride? It was to say, “The British are Coming to take our GUNS!” So why did the colonists write the 2nd the way they did?

Because, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

They learned, as some today refuse to, that government uncontrolled, will ALWAYS hang anyone who opposes it and is disarmed and unable to fight back.

 

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